Legislature(2005 - 2006)CAPITOL 106

04/16/2005 09:30 AM House STATE AFFAIRS


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* first hearing in first committee of referral
+ teleconferenced
= bill was previously heard/scheduled
+ SB 90 ALASKA TERRITORIAL GUARD DAY TELECONFERENCED
Moved Out of Committee
+= HB 34 EXPUNGEMENT OF SET ASIDES TELECONFERENCED
Heard & Held
Bills Previously Heard/Scheduled
+= SB 141 PUBLIC EMPLOYEE/TEACHER RETIREMENT/BOARDS TELECONFERENCED
<Bill Hearing Canceled>
+= HB 238 PUBLIC EMPLOYEE/TEACHER RETIREMENT TELECONFERENCED
Heard & Held
HB  34-EXPUNGEMENT OF SET ASIDES                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
9:48:01 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR SEATON announced that the  next order of business was HOUSE                                                               
BILL  NO. 34,  "An Act  relating  to the  expungement of  records                                                               
relating  to  conviction  set   asides  granted  after  suspended                                                               
imposition of sentence."                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
9:48:29 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE GRUENBERG moved to  adopt the committee substitute                                                               
(CS) for  HB 34,  Version 24-LS0240\Y,  Luckhaupt, 4/15/05,  as a                                                               
work  draft.   There being  no  objection, Version  Y was  before                                                               
committee.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
9:49:05 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
LINDA SYLVESTER, Staff to  Representative Bruce Weyhrauch, Alaska                                                               
State   Legislature,   reintroduced   HB    34   on   behalf   of                                                               
Representative Weyhrauch,  sponsor.   She reminded  the committee                                                               
that  statute allows  judges to  suspend imposition  of sentences                                                               
and   set  aside   the  conviction   following  the   defendant's                                                               
completion of the  conditions of that suspended  sentence.  Many,                                                               
including  some judges,  have assumed  that a  "set aside"  means                                                               
that  the  person  walks  away   form  the  criminal  conviction.                                                               
However, in  1995, the [Alaska]  Supreme Court ruled  that that's                                                               
really not the case.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
MS.   SYLVESTER    stated   that   "criminal    convictions   are                                                               
discoverable" on applications  for a new job or  apartment, or on                                                               
credit  references.    She  offered an  example.    The  proposed                                                               
legislation, Ms. Sylvester explained,  would enable the set aside                                                               
to  "actually do  what we  thought it  was supposed  to do:   let                                                               
somebody  ...  walk away  from  their  record of  their  criminal                                                               
conviction."  The expungement statute  would breath life into the                                                               
set aside statute, she said.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
9:52:03 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MS.  SYLVESTER highlighted  the  new language  in  Section 1,  to                                                               
illustrate  how  the  process  would take  place;  Section  1  of                                                               
Version Y read as follows:                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
     *Section 1. AS 12.55.085(e) is amended to read:                                                                          
               (e) Upon the discharge by the court without                                                                      
     imposition  of sentence,  the court  may set  aside the                                                                    
     conviction and  issue to the person  a certificate [TO]                                                                    
     that  provides that,  under state  law, the  person has                                                                
     not been convicted of a  crime.  The person may, within                                                                
     the  two-year  period  following the  issuance  of  the                                                                
     certificate, petition  the court  for an  order sealing                                                                
     the records of the  arrest, the judgment, the suspended                                                                
     imposition of sentence,  and the set aside.   The court                                                                
     shall  issue the  order  if the  court  finds that  the                                                                
     person  is not  likely  to reoffend.    The order  must                                                                
     state that the  effect of the order under  state law is                                                                
     that the  person has not been  arrested, been adjudged,                                                                
     convicted,  or  received   a  suspended  imposition  of                                                                
     sentence or  a set  aside unless the  person reoffends.                                                                
     The person  shall provide the  order to  the Department                                                                
     of  Public Safety  and the  clerk of  court along  with                                                                
     payment  for the  cost  of sealing  the  records.   The                                                                
     department  and  the  clerk of  court  shall  seal  all                                                                
     records pertaining  to the arrest,  judgment, suspended                                                                
     imposition  of  sentence,  conviction, and  set  aside.                                                                
     The  records  sealed  may  be   accessed  only  by  law                                                                
        enforcement or court officers for the purpose of                                                                    
        investigating crimes or assisting with criminal                                                                     
     prosecutions [EFFECT].                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
MS. SYLVESTER emphasized the importance  of giving judges control                                                               
over the  issuance of an expungement  order.  She noted  that the                                                               
federal  government  has  an   expungement  statute  for  certain                                                               
federal crimes.   When a crime  is expunged, a person  is able to                                                               
check  "no" where  an application  asks if  he/she has  ever been                                                               
convicted of a crime.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
9:54:54 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MS.  SYLVESTER indicated  that  some  states' expungement  orders                                                               
totally  erase the  conviction, while  other states'  expungement                                                               
statutes  allow  [the record  to  be  readily accessible  by  the                                                               
criminal  justice system.   She  said Representative  Weyhrauch's                                                               
position is that  Alaska's expungement statute should  go far and                                                               
allow the person to have  his/her record totally erased; however,                                                               
that presents some problems.   First, the criminal justice system                                                               
has an  interest in  retaining the sealed  records.   Second, the                                                               
courts disseminate  information by computer on  discs and various                                                               
databases, and  it would  be "physically  impossible for  them to                                                               
collect that information back."                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
MS. SYLVESTER  said she  has language ready  for an  amendment to                                                               
Version Y  that would specify  that the  state could not  be held                                                               
responsible for  "information that was disseminated  or broadcast                                                               
in  the  world prior  to  the  date  of  the expungement."    Ms.                                                               
Sylvester described  [HB 34] as  "a little  bit of grace  that we                                                               
would like to offer society."                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
9:59:19 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MS.  SYLVESTER, in  response to  a  question from  Representative                                                               
Gardner, noted that those crimes  that would be expunged are tied                                                               
to those crimes that current statute  allows for set asides.  She                                                               
listed  those  major  crimes  that  would  be  excluded:    drunk                                                               
driving, any degree of homicide,  manslaughter, kidnapping - with                                                               
the    exception   of    noncustodial   interference,    reckless                                                               
endangerment,  stalking, robbery,  all forms  of sexual  assault,                                                               
unlawful exploitation of a minor, indecent exposure, and arson.                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
10:01:01 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE LYNN  questioned if  this would  really be  in the                                                               
interest of  society.  He  said he  was taught that  actions have                                                               
consequences.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
10:01:39 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MS.  SYLVESTER  responded  that   "someone  can  commit  a  minor                                                               
infraction of  the law and  society will  never let them  move on                                                               
from that."  She offered an example.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
10:02:46 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  LYNN  said  there  is   usually  a  place  on  an                                                               
application  that allows  for explaining  the circumstances  of a                                                               
crime.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
10:03:14 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MS.  SYLVESTER replied  that it's  true; however,  most often  [a                                                               
prospective   employer,   for   example]  won't   look   at   the                                                               
circumstances.    She  reiterated  that  the  current  set  aside                                                               
statute leads  people to believe  that "they walk away  from it,"                                                               
but they only  get a certificate that leaves out  the actual word                                                               
"expungement."                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
10:04:41 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR SEATON offered clarification.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
10:06:46 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  GRUENBERG said  he strongly  supports the  policy                                                               
behind the bill, but  he sees a lot of problems  with the way the                                                               
bill is  currently drafted.   He stated  his concern that  no one                                                               
from the Department  of Law is present to testify.   He requested                                                               
a  copy of  the  citation from  the  previously mentioned  Alaska                                                               
Supreme Court case.  He noted  that the fiscal note has "raised a                                                               
lot of  problems," yet no one  is present from the  Department of                                                               
Public Safety.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
10:07:21 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR SEATON  emphasized that he would  feel uncomfortable moving                                                               
[HB  34] without  giving  a  copy of  [Version  Y]  to those  who                                                               
generated the fiscal note.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
10:07:59 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE GRUENBERG remarked that  usually the defendant has                                                               
the  burden of  proof.   He referred  to page  1, line  11, which                                                               
read:  "The  court shall issue the order if  the court finds that                                                           
the  person is  not  likely  to reoffend."    He  noted that  the                                                           
language doesn't specifically say who  has the burden of proof on                                                               
that issue.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
10:09:08 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE GRUENBERG said his second  concern is in regard to                                                               
"the applicability"  and effective dates.   For example,  page 2,                                                               
line 10, addresses destruction, but  he noted, "You don't destroy                                                               
the records  here, all you  do is seal  them."  He  expressed his                                                               
wish that  the House State  Affairs Standing Committee  deal with                                                               
these issues before moving the bill out of committee.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
10:10:12 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  SEATON stated  his intent  to send  any amendments  to the                                                               
Alaska  State  Troopers and  the  court  system for  comment  and                                                               
revised  fiscal  notes.   He  reviewed  that ideas  for  possible                                                               
amendments are  to address preponderance of  evidence, limitation                                                               
on liability to the state, and applicability.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
10:11:10 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE GRUENBERG said  he would like to  work with anyone                                                               
else interested to come up with a new committee substitute.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
10:11:53 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR SEATON suggested  that a word change may be  needed on page                                                               
2, line 10, regarding the sealing of documents.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR SEATON announced that HB 34 was heard and held.                                                                           

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